Hassoun on the Coerciveness of Loan Conditionality

One of the main functions of both the IMF and the World Bank is to lend money to developing countries.  The IMF lends money to countries specifically for addressing balance of payment problems while the World Bank lends money to countries more generally for economic development.  Typically, disbursement of money is contingent on implementing specific economic policies that are meant to address the economic problems that initiated the country’s request for a loan.  And, typically, conditions have tended to include privatization and liberalization of the economy.

In her recent book, Globalization and Global Justice (CUP, 2012), Nicole Hassoun presents an account of what is wrong with loan conditionality.  She writes

many countries’ participation in international institutions is not voluntary . . .  Countries often pay significant penalties if they do not abide by . . . . WB or IMF rules.  Sometimes these countries do not have other decent options and, so, are not free to resist these organization’s conditions.  Highly indebted poor countries facing default, for instance, may have to abide by IMF conditionality.  The consequences of refusing to do so can be devastating (Hassoun, 2012, p. 73).

Highly indebted countries are in significant need of loans.  Without loans many individuals within such countries would go hungry, for example.  Hassoun claims that loan conditionality is problematic because highly indebted states are in need of a loan and they have no “options but to abide by international institutions’ rules” (Hassoun, 2012, p. 74).  This means they are coerced into accepting loan conditions, since, on her view, coercion occurs when there exists no option but to comply with a set of demands or rules.

While Hassoun does not give a detailed explanation as to why she thinks that borrowing states have no other options available to them but to borrow from the IMF and World Bank, an argument can easily be given.

Contrast private borrowing with international borrowing.  If a private individual is in need of a loan, she has opportunities to borrow from a variety of different sources.  She can apply to different banks, seek investments from the private sector, borrow money from family members and friends, or take up an extra job and attempt to save the extra income.  The international sphere is not like this.  If a country is in need of a loan, it does not have options outside of borrowing from the IMF and World Bank.  The kind of borrowing options that exist at the local private level simply do not exist at the international level.  This is because the IMF and the World Bank are “lenders of last resort.”  They lend money to countries when no one else will.  Moreover, the IMF and the World Bank are essentially the same institutions in the sense that they coordinate all of their actions.  A country cannot receive a loan from one without receiving approval from the other.  Furthermore, if they choose not to lend to a country, then no one else will do so either.  Approval from the IMF and the World Bank is the gold standard of international finance; it guarantees loans from other private investors.  So, if the IMF and the World Bank decide that a certain country is not worthy of a loan (say, because it has a bad credit rating), then other lenders such as private banks or investors are unlikely to give that country a loan.  In short, if a highly indebted state is in need of a loan, outside of borrowing from the IMF and World Bank, there are no other realistic options to pursue. So, Hassoun seems right in her claim: borrowing countries and the individuals within them have no option but to accept the conditions that the IMF and the Bank place on their loans, if they hope to secure a loan.  If Hassoun is right and coercion occurs when there exists no option but to comply with a set of demands or rules, then the IMF and World Bank’s loan conditionality is coercive.

Hassoun’s account of coercion, though accepted by many, is not ultimately compelling.  Hassoun argues that if X consents to rule R being imposed on her by Y but X has no other options available to her, then X’s consent is coerced by Y (see Hassoun, 2012, p. 73-75).  It is not clear to me, even if these conditions are met, that X’s consent is coerced rather than genuine.

Imagine that Aalok lives on the streets of Kolkata and is starving.  For a variety of reasons, Aalok has decided that he will convert to Catholicism as soon as the opportunity presents itself.  Unfortunately, due to food shortage, all but one of the local charities is closed.  Aalok happens to walk by this charity, the Mother House of the Missionaries of Charity.  Mother Teresa is standing at the door and states, “I will feed you on the condition that you convert to Catholicism.”  Aalok consents.

In this case, Aalok has no option but to accept Mother Teresa’s conditions.  He is in need of food.  There is nowhere else to go for help.  Yet, I would argue, Aalok’s consent to the conversion is not coerced.  Aalok consents to Mother Teresa’s offer in a way that is consistent with and expressive of his genuine (or authentic) and rational commitments and aims.  He is autonomous in Hassoun’s sense: he consents in a way that is expressive of his ability “to reason about, make, and carry out  significant plans” on the basis of his “commitments” (see Hassoun, 2012, p. 26).

Similar things could be argued, at least in principle, about loan conditionality.  A country’s consent to certain conditions, say, to privatization of the water industry, may not be coerced.  If a country, such as India was already planning to privatize its water industry and then consents to an IMF loan on the condition of privatizing its water industry, it would not be coerced into accepting such conditions.

In short, establishing that someone has a lack of alternative options is not sufficient to establish that her consent is coerced.  If this conclusion is correct, then, even if there are no other options available to borrowing countries, these countries may not be coerced by the IMF and World Bank into accepting loan conditions.  Hassoun has not convincingly established that the IMF and World Bank coerce borrowing countries.

This discussion also suggests that an alternative account of coercion is needed.  A plausible account of coercion must take into consideration both the motivations (the rational plans and commitments) of Aalok, in the case of Mother Teresa, and of those within developing countries’, in the case of the IMF and World Bank.  Without such an account we cannot determine whether either are being genuinely coerced or not.

Rejecting Mill on Plural Votes

In Considerations on Representative Government (Vol. 18 (1861), in J.M. Robson, Collected Works of John Stuart Mill (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1963-1991), Mill argues that those with greater education should have plural or weighted votes. He believes that, because they will have superior knowledge and intelligence, those with greater education will have a greater capacity for the management of joint interests and as such should have a greater say.  Mill suggests that the superior influence of the educated should be enough to protect them from the class legislationof the uneducated, but not so much as to allow them to enact their own class legislation (that is, legislation that favours the interests of their own class).  As Rawls puts it, on Mill’s picture, ideally those with superior education “should act as a constant force on the side of justice and the common good, a force that, although always weak in itself, can often tip the scale in the right direction if the larger forces cancel them out” (ATJ, pp. 204).  In short, Mill favours plural votes because he thinks that everyone, even the uneducated, who have fewer votes, will benefit from such a scheme.  Plural votes are justified not only because they will maximize the good of all but also because they will maximize the good of those with fewer votes, specifically.

Mill also suggests that plural or weighted voting of this kind is not insulting or damaging of self-respect.  He writes

entire exclusion from a voice in the common concerns is one thing: the concession to others of a more potential voice on the ground of greater capacity for the management of joint interests is another . . . Everyone has a right to feel insulted by being made a nobody and stamped as of no account at all.  No one but a fool, only a fool of a peculiar description, feels offended by the acknowledgement that there are others whose opinion, and even whose wish, is entitled to greater amount of consideration than his (Mill, Representative Government, p. 474).

I think that both of Mill’s arguments, regarding the benefit of plural votes and self-respect, are wrong.

Let’s start with what Mill says about self-respect.  There is an ordinary sense in which Mill’s proposal seems consistent with self-respect. Imagine that my husband is a nutritionist and that we are trying to decide what would be the most nutritious dinner to have.  Imagine that we tend to place more emphasis on my husband’s opinions about dinner, since he knows much more about nutrition than I do.  This does not seem insulting or undermining of my self-respect.  I could self-respectfully accept a change in family meals because my husband thinks it is right.  After all, I am less competent with respect to making nutritious dinner decisions; acknowledging this fact, by placing more weight on his opinions, is not insulting.  It is not undermining of one’s sense of self-respect to trust and concede to the opinions of those who are identified as having superior knowledge.  Indeed, this seems consistent with a proper sense of self-respect.  A person who has an appropriate or proper sense of her own worth or value will be aware of her limitations.  To the extent that I know that I am less competent with respect to making decisions about nutritious dinners than my husband, it is not degrading or undermining of my sense of self-respect to give greater weight to my husband’s opinions about dinner.  In short, in at least some cases, I can self-respectfully give greater weight to others’ opinions such as those of my husband.

However, this ordinary scenario is relevantly different from the one that Mill is suggesting.  In the case I describe, both my husband and I have an influential say in what will be served for dinner.  I get to make the decision along with my husband about whether to change the family meals or not.  My husband may have an opinion about what is best to serve for dinner.  Insofar as he knows more than me about this topic, we count his word as special evidence.  In this sense, his say counts more evidentially.  Yet, my husband does not have more power than I do.  Sometimes there may not be enough time for an explanation.  The kids might really need to be fed, for example, and so I will not get an explanation of my husband’s choice.  I will just go with his choice.  But, presumably, under normal circumstances, when there is time, my husband will have to explain his choice to me.  It is only when I have heard his reasons, weighed them, and agree with him, that we will go with his dinner choice.  I acknowledge my husband’s superior knowledge by taking his viewpoint seriously and listening to his case carefully.  However, and rather importantly, though I may generally go along with my husband’s choice, this is revocable.  I can always decide, after hearing his case, not to go along with his decision.

Mill’s proposal is different in the sense that the opinions of the educated are not just weighed more evidentially.  As long as the educated agree about what serves justice or the public good, insofar as they are given plural votes, their opinions are given special authority or power.  When they agree, their decisions will become embedded in social institutions, enforceable by law.  This is the case even when the uneducated disagree with the educated.  This is undermining of self-respect.  Imagine that I was to enter into a contract with my husband that says that in all instances, even when I disagree with him, his decisions are binding.  Signing this kind of contract is not consistent with my sense of self-respect.  A self-respecting choice does not involve admitting mental incompetence.  And signing this kind of contract suggests that I am mentally incompetent.  It suggests that I could not be convinced by good reasons and that any disagreement that I might have is not reflective or intelligent.  I think something similar can be said with respect to Mill’s proposal.  Accepting his plural or weighted voting proposal involves a making judgment of oneself that would be rather difficult for a self-respecting person to make, unless s/he were below a certain level of minimum competence.   For this reason, I think that those with fewer votes would have good grounds for claiming that plural voting is not consistent with their sense of self-respect.

I think that Mill’s arguments regarding the benefit of plural votes also fails.  Plural votes are unlikely to maximize the good of those with fewer votes.  The most fundamental threat to justice is, perhaps, not being appropriately impartial.  Different groups of people have different conceptions of justice and the common good.  There is a tendency for our conceptions of justice and the public good to represent our own interests disproportionately. As Thomas Christiano notes, this seems only natural given that people have a more intimate and sensitive understanding of their own interests than of others’ (see his “An Argument for Democratic Equality”).  It seems fairly clear that no education level, or qualification of any kind for that matter, is going to help us overcome this fact.  An education from Cambridge or Oxford, for example, will not guard against partiality.  So, if people tend to advance conceptions of justice and the public good that reflect their own interests, it follows that those who lack equal opportunity to advance their own conceptions of justice and the public good will tend to lose out.  If those with superior education are given a greater say, it is likely that the interests of the uneducated will be ignored.  This suggests that the good of those with fewer votes will not be maximized.  Again, Mill’s arguments for plural votes are not compelling.

On whether top tier journals in ethics and political philosophy are less likely to publish papers with experimental content

Cross posted at the new Experimental Philosophy Blog.

At the old Experimental Philosophy blog, I recently asked for people’s thoughts about the prevalence of experimental work in top journals in ethics and political philosophy.   More specifically, I was wondering whether there were any papers with experimental content in Philosophy and Public Affairs and Ethics.

In the comments section at the Leiter reports, Joshua Knobe supports my concern, writing “there has been a surprising lack of experimental philosophy papers in the ethics journals, especially Ethics and PPA.”  Also notable is that while there has been at least one paper in relation to experimental work in PPA, it was a critical paper by Selim Baker (“The Normative Insignificance of Neuroscience” appeared in Philosophy & Public Affairs 37:4 (2009), pp. 293-329).  Thanks to Alex Guerro for the pointer.

While there may be other things behind this phenomenon, I am starting to think that self-selection plays an important role.  I am currently working with a group of people on an experimental piece (for more information click here and scroll all the way down), but I wouldn’t dream of submitting it to PPA or Ethics.  Since there hasn’t yet been much work in experimental philosophy published in PPA or Ethics, I believe that the chances of this paper actually being publishing in either of them are rather small.  So, I am not motivated to submit this work to either of those journals. Of course, if, for similar reasons, very few people send in experimental papers to Ethics and PPA, then the chances of such work appearing in these journals is very small.

There are ways of correcting for this problem.  For example, these journals could host a special issue on experimental philosophy and ethics/political philosophy.   I think this could go a long way toward increasing the number of submissions with experimental content or focus.

What are other ways of correcting this problem?

Featured Philosop-her: Erin Taylor

I am very pleased to welcome Erin Taylor as the first Featured (Political) Philosop-her.   Erin Taylor is an Assistant Professor at Cornell University.  She specializes in ethics and political philosophy, with particular interests in the nature of moral conflict and the structure of ethical theory.  In recent work, she defends the claim that non-consequentialist moral theories can consistently allow the possibility that one person’s genuine moral duties can conflict with another’s. Other current research engages with ethical issues in reproductive technology, the nature of the ought-implies-can principle, and the structure of moral obligation.

Her post follows.

–MK

On Rejecting Voluntarism, Willingly and Knowingly

I have always thought that political obligation, if it existed, must be some species of “associative duty,” a duty we have in virtue of some socially-recognized role or relationship. In the case of political obligation, the socially-recognized role would be that of citizen. This is straightforward enough. The problem is that it is really difficult to give a good account of associative duties. The comprehensive accounts represented in the literature can be categorized according to the types of justification they appeal to.  “Voluntarist” accounts justify associative duties as analogs of promissory obligations; we acquire associative duties when we voluntarily enter into a social role to which these duties are attached.

Much has been written about both the obvious appeal and likely shortcomings of voluntarist accounts.  In the literature, the appeal of voluntarist accounts has largely been their ability to avoid what is sometimes referred to as the “voluntarist objection,” viz. that there is something morally problematic about the institutional allocation of moral requirements to those who have not consented or volunteered (in some way) to undertake such requirements. The rhetorical tools employed to make this objection have proven too persuasive to many to ignore. These usually take the form of compelling counter-examples that purport to show that non-voluntary associative duties are unacceptable. And it is hard to argue otherwise in the extreme cases adduced, such as military impressment or social clubs that habitually foist on innocent bystanders perplexing and unwanted requirements to do bizarre or trivial things. The point of these examples is to show that, unless a social institution merely mediates a pre-existing moral duty (like beneficence), associative duties must be voluntarily undertaken in order to be legitimate and binding. This is why voluntarist accounts are modeled on promissory obligation, explaining voluntarily-chosen associative duties as a species of this type of requirement. Just as promissory obligations do not exhaust our moral requirements, voluntarist accounts are not taken by their strongest proponents to be exhaustive of the ways that associative duties are justified.  It will be possible to have non-voluntary associative duties if these are necessary to discharge other non-institutional moral duties. Thus, voluntarist accounts work best to explain associative duties that flow either from some chosen occupation (such as doctor, lawyer, professor, police officer, plumber, etc.), or some voluntarily chosen membership in a social group (neighborhood association, PTA, Little League, religious congregation, and so forth). They “fill in the gap,” so to speak, when we want to affirm the legitimacy of institutionally-generated moral requirements but cannot explain them as a result of some pre-institutional general moral duty. The traditional appeal of voluntarist accounts is that they explain these associative duties in a way that does not run afoul of the voluntarist objection.

But voluntarism itself cannot meet the voluntarist objection.  So if we think that the voluntarist objection is dispositive where applicable (as voluntarists do), then voluntarist accounts will not work even in their aforementioned “gap-filling” role. Consider actual (voluntarily chosen) occupational or social roles. There, the analogy to legitimate promissory obligation begins to create a problem. The problem is not that most chosen occupations or social roles are not signed-on for in some temporally discreet, explicit announcement.  Rather, the problem is that if we construe associative duties as the result of a kind of promise to undertake them, this promise would itself be defeated.  This is because two defeaters of promissory obligation apply straightforwardly to many of the associative duties generated by “chosen” occupational and social roles.

The first defeater is familiar from recent blog posts: people often do not know enough about what the obligations attached to a social role will be at the time it is chosen. Whether or not this ignorance is sufficient to render decisions to undertake them irrational, it is probably sufficient to defeat a promissory obligation to undertake them. This ignorance can take three different forms. First, the duties attached to roles are often not fully known to the occupant ahead of time. Often, both the weight and minutiae of a role’s attendant duties become clear only after a person has entered into it. This is part of normal moral development. Only by becoming a friend, spouse, or parent do we begin to understand what these roles really demand. It is a rare individual who acquires these details a priori or by testimony alone. Second, even those duties that are fully known are often subject to change. This often happens when circumstances change that have a profound effect on a voluntarily chosen role or occupation. Sometimes the changes in the duties attached to it can be life-altering or life-threatening. During the “pax antibiotic,” for example, newly minted doctors entered the profession with expectations of relative safety from infectious disease. This expectation was betrayed by higher risks after the advent of, e.g., AIDS and SARS. And third, social or occupational roles are often transformative. They have the power to change in fundamental ways the basic commitments and moral outlook of those who occupy them. As noted in earlier posts to this blog, this phenomenon is the most apparent in the case of motherhood. Widely documented by social scientists, the phenomenon of “transformative motherhood” plays a role, for example, in voiding some surrogacy contracts. This shows that, independently of whether or not it is irrational to choose to occupy a social role, it is difficult to meet the threshold of informed consent governing promissory obligation.

The second defeater is that occupants of these roles have no power to determine what sorts of things count as entering into or abstaining from these roles, or to determine the contours of the rights and duties that attach to them. So, while certain associations are considered to be voluntary, even these are structured along trajectories outside of the control of role-bearers. We cannot control what kinds of behaviors count as entering into the roles of friend or lover, for example. (And the lack of control in such cases often causes considerable consternation.)  The entire shape and character of our lives is permeated by social rules of various kinds, rules that we had no part in constituting. And this would be true even if none of our associations were foisted upon us in the way that the voluntarist objection alerts us to. This is especially worrisome for a voluntarist if it is relatively difficult or costly to abstain from entering into such roles, or if the types of roles open to an individual is otherwise restricted.  To be sure, a voluntarist may be able to offer separate “fixes” for some of the above concerns. But taken together, I believe the balance of reasons points us away from voluntarism.

The lesson of these defeaters is not that occupational and social roles are morally illegitimate. I suggest that we learn an alternative lesson: associative duties are not proper analogs of promissory obligation. Of course we will always have the option to reduce associative duties to some other explanation (such as promissory obligation), with the consequence of delegitimizing those that resist reduction. But doing so here would be especially foolish. First of all, the moral ground of promissory obligation is no less opaque than that of associative duties. Second, the core and canonical cases of associative duties are often more certain and central to everyday moral life than promissory obligation. Third, resting a theory of associative duties on an analogy to promising substitutes what ought to be a comparatively fundamental theoretical construct with a comparatively derivative one. Theories of promising (and our intuitions about promissory obligation) are heavily influenced by specialization in related fields, most notably theories of contract in law. But not all theories of contract will recognize promissory obligation as their primary philosophical basis, and even those that do will be tailored to the specific requirements of a good legal – rather than moral – theory.

There may be a perfectly good reason to require protection from having certain kinds of moral duties imposed on us, such as the random requirements described as attaching to fictional and far-fetched social groups. But we can honor the kernal of truth in voluntarism without being voluntarists. The underlying motivation of voluntarism is a protection of our autonomy and self-determination. Chosen social or occupational roles can expand and enrich our autonomy.  The expanded opportunities they afford may be even more important than the canonical cases of promising. Where promising often involves an exchange of performances that enhance the parties’ instrumental efficacy, voluntaristic associations afford people an opportunity to carve out a portion of their own social world. To the extent that there are associations that retain elements of voluntarism, they allow a person to create, at least in some way, the social world in which they live. Since the social world in which we live so deeply affects our sense of self and identity, voluntaristic associations can allow us some measure of control over these core elements of who we are. Voluntaristic associations allow us, at least in some non-trivial way, actively and consciously to participate in our own making. They are therefore essential aspects of self-determination. But that is very different from asserting that associations generate no obligations unless they are a species of promissory obligation.

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Can We Make Rational Decisions to Transition to Justice?

In my post earlier today, I said that I would say something about the relevance of Paul’s work to political philosophy.  So, here goes!  The connection to political philosophy lies in the notion of transformative experiences.  Just as transformative experiences can occur in the private lives of individuals, they can occur in the public lives of individuals, that is, in their lives as citizens of a state.   For example, when citizens transition from living in a state of autocracy to one of democracy, they presumably undergo a transformative experience.  Living in a democratic state is much like Paul purports having a child of one’s own to be.  One could argue, it is genuinely unlike any experience the individuals would have had before.  So, they cannot project from past experiences to know what it will be like to live in a democracy.  In turn, they cannot know whether they will value living in a democracy or not.  So, if we take Paul’s arguments seriously, then the individuals’ decisions to transition to a democracy cannot be considered rational decisions.

One way around this conclusion is along the lines that I suggested here.  Even if they lack knowledge or an approximate idea of what this specific token of democracy will be like for them, individuals could project on the basis of similar types of phenomenal experiences of democracy to determine the value that transitioning to a democracy in their state will have for them.   For example, they may have experienced what democratic decision-making is like within their families or with their neighbors or in other community based groups.  On this basis, they can know or, as I have suggested, at least have an approximate idea as to whether they value experiences of this (democratic) type.  If they determine that they value these types of experiences positively, they can make a rational decision (on the standard model) to transition to a democracy.

As I argued in my post from earlier today, another way around the Paulian conclusion is simply to deny that phenomenal knowledge is necessary for rationality.  There are other (non-phenomenal) basis for making such decisions: for example, we might think that we owe democracy to the other individuals in the group say, because, as Thomas Christiano has recently argued here, democracy promotes human rights and we have a moral obligation to satisfy other people’s human rights.  In this case, we can know that we will place positive value, for non-phenomenal reasons, on transitioning to a democracy.  We might also know that such values swamp (or trump) any phenomenal reasons that we have for not transitioning to a democracy.  If so, we can make rational decisions to transition to a democracy.

I also wonder what role genealogical processes could play in rational political decisions.  We can, for example, look at historical and global accounts of experiences of what transitioning to a democracy has been like for various individuals in various countries.  One might wonder, couldn’t this serve as a basis for knowing or at least approximating what it will be like to transition to a democracy?

I think Paul would deny this possibility (see her discussion of relying on other people’s testimonies).  Imagine after considering other individual’s experiences of what it is like to transition to a democracy, we notice that there are two groups of individuals: those that valued the transition and those that did not.  Since we cannot project on the basis of our past experiences to know what the transformative experience of transitioning to a democracy will be like for us, one could argue (again for Paulian reasons), we cannot know which of the two groups we will end up being in.  It could go either way:  we might value the transition or we might not.  So, one could argue, we cannot come to know what it will be like for us to transition to a democracy on the basis of other people’s testimonies because we don’t know which of their testimonies will apply to us.

However, while, on the face of it, we may not be able to know which group we will end up being in, it does seem that we can know something about which groups we share similar starting points with.  So long as we can identify our country as starting at a certain point, for example, of initially being composed of individuals with certain cultural, social, economic and other sorts of features  (i.e., the points from which we will transition from), we can at least have an idea of which countries start off in positions similar to ours.   We can then consider whether those sorts of societies had positive experiences or not and we have at least some grounds for concluding that for countries like ours, which are composed of individuals like us, transitioning to democracy has had positive or negative phenomenal value.   This might not be a basis for knowing what democracy will be like for us, but it could be a basis for forming an approximate idea of what it is will be like for us.  We could form an approximate idea of the types of experiences that we might have and what they might be like for us on the basis of other’s experiences of what it has been like to transition to a democracy.  And, as I suggested, an approximate idea may be all that is needed to make a rational decision to transition to a democracy.

A last thought on Paul: Why phenomenal values?

Before getting to the relevance of my discussion of Paul’s argument to issues in political philosophy (which will happen today in another post), I would now like to try my hand at a final criticism of Paul’s argument.   Paul argues that the value of choosing to have a child (HC) is determined by “what it is like for you to have your child, including what it is like to have the beliefs, desires, emotions and dispositions that result, directly and indirectly from having your own child” (p. 5).  She refers to these sorts of values as “phenomenal values.”  Since HC is something that happens to you specifically, Paul argues that the phenomenal value (the value of “what is like for you”) is the most important and is likely the solely important factor in determining the value that HC will have for you and, in turn, whether it is rational for you to HC.

This argument moves too quickly.  There are many non-phenomenal values that can play an important role in deciding the value of HC and that can also outweigh any of the personal phenomenal value that you associate with HC.  For example, if you are a member of a dying (or minority) culture that has only one or two members left – say, you are the last of the Mohicans – and you see yourself as having a strong moral duty to prevent the demise of your culture, then you can determine that HC will have positive value for you for non-phenomenal reason.  There are likely many other similar sorts of cases.

In an e-rejoiner, Paul acknowledges that

“if you’re really not basing your decision at all on what being a parent is going to be like for you then you can make a rational decision. But relying only on criteria like that is not the usual way to decide to have kids.”

Her response is that this is not how people typically make rational decisions.  This response is not fully convincing.  First, at least some of the time, this is the way that people typically make decisions to HC.  People do seem to choose to HC for moral reasons.   Second, even if it is not the way that people typically choose to HC, this fact does not in itself make it an irrational way to decide to choose to HC.  Moral values can determine the value that HC (or ~HC) will have for us.  So, it seems that Paul must acknowledge that, even if they constitute only a small number of the decisions that are actually made, it can be rational to choose to HC.

Recall that her original conclusion was that we cannot, on the standard model, make rational decisions to HC or ~HC.  This discussion illustrates that, when properly understood, her arguments support a much weaker conclusion (assuming we accept the rest of her arguments), namely, that we cannot make rational decisions, on the standard model, to HC on the basis of phenomenal values, which still leaves open the possibility of making rational decisions to HC or ~HC on the basis of non-phenomenal values.  Understood in this way, the conclusion of her argument is much less controversial than first appeared.  It does not challenge the possibility of making rational decisions (according to the standard model) to HC.  It just narrows the grounds for such decisions.  It’s not so bad after all!

As a bit of a side note, Paul’s focus on phenomenal knowledge seems somewhat odd to me.  Paul argues that we must know what it is like to HC in order to determine the value that HC will have for us.  There is, however, nothing in the standard model that states that we can only determine the value of X when we know what it is like to X.  This is Paul’s addition and she seems to derive this requirement from her understanding of commonsense rationality.  Even if this is an appropriate conception of commonsense rationality (which I am not entirely convinced of), it doesn’t necessarily follow that this is an appropriate conception of the standard model, since the standard model doesn’t claim to be and certainly doesn’t need to be understood as representing commonsense rationality.   So, why the focus on the necessity of phenomenal knowledge in rationality on the standard model?

This linking of the standard model of rationality and, what she takes to be, common sense rationality may explain why it was unclear to me, earlier, as to whether Paul’s target was commonsense rationality more generally or the standard model specifically (on this issue see my response to Schliesser’s rebuttal).  She seems to see the two as being linked, but, again, I wonder whether this is or has to be the case.

More on phenomenal knowledge and rationality

As a follow up to my last post, I’d like to sketch some of my thoughts regarding the objection I raised in the last post and then raise a further worry about Paul’s arguments.

Like Paul, I do and would continue to hold that we cannot know what it is like to have a child of our own (HC) on the basis of our phenomenal experiences with other people’s children.  I would argue that this is true for exactly the same reasons that I suggested in the last post as a possible response to my worry.  We can know what it is like to experience certain types of experiences – say,  ‘caring for’; ‘loving’; ‘laughing with’ and ‘being angry at’ – on the basis of our experiences with other people’s children.  Yet, I would argue, there is something unique about having experiences of these types with the specific token ‘a child of our own’ that, in turn, makes our experiences of these types unique.  So, I am sympathetic to the claim that we cannot know what it is like to have a child of our own before having one and that, for this reason, having a child of our own is a transformative experience.  For similar reasons, I am also sympathetic to Eric Schliesser’s claim that perhaps other everyday experiences (such as eating chocolate ice cream or seeing red on this day, in this light, in this mood) are transformative.

However, though I accept this sort of position, it doesn’t lead me to think that we cannot make rational decisions to HC (or, for that matter, to see red or to eat chocolate ice cream).  Because of our having experienced what it is like to have these types of experiences – ‘caring for’; ‘loving’; etc. – with others (or in other instances), I do think we can form an approximation (or approximate idea) of what it will be like to HC.  And, I would argue, an approximation is all that we need to make rational decisions to HC on the standard model.

And this leads me to an important ground for questioning Paul’s arguments.  It concerns her emphasis on the importance of knowing what is like to HC.  On the standard model, in order to make rational decisions to HC or ~HC, you must determine the expected value (EV) of both options (the rational decision is the one with the higher EV).  To determine the EV of HC, you must determine the value of all of the outcomes associated with HC and the probability of these outcomes occurring.  On Paul’s view, the value of the outcomes of HC is determined only by knowing what it is like to HC.  But why think that we have to know what it is like to HC in order to determine the value of the outcomes associated with HC?  On the standard model, rationality requires that we determine the value that we estimate will be associated with the outcomes of HC not the known value of the outcomes of HC.  Something less than full knowledge of what it is like to HC is sufficient to determine the EV of the outcomes of HC and, in turn, to make a rational choice to HC.  So, even if we allow Paul’s claim that we can only know what it is like to HC by being in a state where we actually HC (see the last post on this) and not on the basis of similar types of experiences, it seems that, on the basis of such related experiences, we can at least estimate what value the outcomes of HC will have for us.  This is sufficient to make a rational decision about whether to HC.

Paul can block this move by denying that we cannot have even an approximate idea of what it is like to HC on the basis of our experiences of similar types.  If this is right, then we wouldn’t be able to make rational decisions to HC because we would lack even an estimation (approximation) of the EV of HC.  But, I wonder if such a move can plausibly be made.  Do we really lack even an approximation of what it is like to HC and of the value that it will have for us?

What it is like experiences, knowledge, and rationality

I have long had an interest in the role that what it is like experiences play in moral knowledge and the formation of rational conceptions of the good.  I wrote about some of my thoughts in some of my earlier work on Rawls.   I have been thinking more about this matter as I have been writing a response to L.A. Paul’s recent paper on the rationality of choosing to have a child (HC).

The argument is, by now, familiar.  So, I won’t go into great detail.  The upshot is that we cannot make rational decisions to have a child because making such decisions requires knowledge of what it is like to have a child (= phenomenal knowledge) and, before we have a child, we lack this knowledge.

Before I get into some of the problems I have with Paul’s argument, let me say that I love this paper, even if I basically disagree with its conclusion.  Not only was it pure fun to read, it raises an important challenge to an assumption that many of us make without even a second thought.  And, it does so in a really interesting way, by relying on something that many of us who have had children believe to be true, namely, that there is something uniquely transformative about the experience of having a child.

Ok, so now on to one of my main worries.  Paul’s view is that there are no other bases for determining what it is like to HC than the experience of actually having a child of your own.  You cannot know what it is like to HC from your experiences with other people’s children, for example.

This seems false.  The problem with Paul’s argument is that it seems to conceive of the experience of what it is like to HC as one unified and distinct experience (namely, the what it is like experience of having a child).  However, alternatively, one can conceive of the experience of what it is like to HC as being made up of distinct what it is like experiences, for example, of what it is like to care for, what it is like to meet the needs of, and what it is like to play and spend leisure time with, and laugh with and be angry at.  While we do not and cannot have experiences of these types in relation to the child we are considering having before having her, we can and have had them with other individuals.  From these types of experiences, we can and do know something about what it will be like to have experiences of these types, even if we do not know what it will be like to have these types of experiences with our own child specifically.

To make the point more vivid, return to the case of Mary.  As Paul suggests, seeing red will be transformative for Mary.  This transformation occurs because Mary, having only experienced black and white, has no experience of what it is like to see colour and, as a result, cannot project from her past experiences to know what it will be like to see red.  This is why, before seeing red, she cannot know what it will be like.  However, things are different if Mary is in a pink-room and is considering seeing red.  If she is in a pink-room, she can, on the basis of her experiences of seeing pink know something about what it will be like to see red, since pink is not only a colour but is also a red-like-colour and she knows this to be the case.  So, she can know what feelings, beliefs, desires, and dispositions will be caused by her experience of seeing a red-like-colour.  She can know for example, that she enjoys seeing red-like-colours, finds it exciting, and that she desires to see more.  Moreover, to the extent that pink is a red-like colour, she can know something about what it will be like to find “red-like-colours” in particular, joyful and exciting.  In short, having experiences of a closely related type such as seeing pink, a red-like colour, can serve as basis for knowing what is like to see red and, ultimately, for knowing whether she will value seeing red.

Unless they have never been around children, the situation of most people deciding whether to HC is more analogous to Mary in the pink-room than it is to Mary in the black-and-white-room.  We can have experiences of a variety of types that are relevantly similar to the sorts of experiences that we will have when we have a child of our own.  For example, we can experience what it is like to touch and to see a newborn.  We can experience what is like to care for and to attend to a newborn (after spending significant time with one).  On the basis of these types of experiences, we can know something about what it will be like to have the types of experiences that we will have when we have a child of our own.  And on this basis, we can know something about whether we will value having a child of our own or not.  If all of this is right, then we can make rational decisions to have children.

There is a response available to Paul.  She could push the point and argue that the experiences of what it is like to love and care for a newborn that is not your own are phenomenally very different from what it is like to love and to care for a new born that is your own.  There is just something phenomenally unique about having these types of experiences with your own child.  So, we cannot know what having a child of our own will be like on the basis of our experiences with other people’s children.  Similarly, even if Mary has experiences of pink, Paul could argue, Mary cannot know what it will be like to see red.  What it is like to see red is very different from what is like to see pink, even though pink is a red-like-colour.  Seeing red, specifically, is a unique and transformative experience.

The problem with this approach is that it will make many if not most of our everyday decisions irrational, since something similar could be said of each experience that we have.  In some sense, each experience that we have is both transformative and unique.  Each experience that we have changes us in some way and is unlike any other experience we have had before it.  While I may have seen red before, I have not seen it on this day, in this particular light, and so on.  While I may have eaten chocolate ice cream before, I have not done it on this day, in this weather, in this mood, and so on.  So, my experience of seeing red or eating chocolate ice cream, or whatever is in a sense unique and transformative.  In turn, it would follow, I cannot project my past experiences of seeing red or eating chocolate to know what it will be like, respectively, to see red or to eat chocolate ice cream on this day, at this time, and in this way.  So, if we take this rebuttal seriously, it would work to rule out rational decision-making in most cases.  It will not only be irrational to choose to have a child but also irrational to choose to see red, to eat chocolate ice cream, to drive your car, to brush your teeth, and so on.  This sort of rebuttal pushes too far, since we do not think that our everyday decisions are irrational.

Ok, admittedly, this post has nothing to do with political philosophy (even though this is supposed to be a political philosophy blog!).  The next post will draw out, what I see as being, the implications of this discussion for some of the things I am thinking about in relation to transformative experiences and knowledge of justice and the common good.

For other related posts on L.A. Paul’s paper see:

Catrina Dutilh Novaes, Eric Schliesser and Helen De Cruz on New Apps

L.A. Paul and Kieran Healy on Crooked Timber

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Update:  Eric Schliesser has attempted a counter-objection to my objection at New Apps. I’ve tried to respond in the comments section.

Perhaps Eric (at New Apps) is right and I made a bit of a slip in the last section of the above post, which considers a possible response from Paul.  My claim was supposed to be that the problem with the potential response (on Paul’s behalf) is that it will make many if not most of our everyday experiences count as being transformative and unique in the way that having a child is purported to be, since something similar could be said about the transformative nature of our everyday experiences.  One could argue that each experience that we have is both transformative and unique.  Each experience that we have changes us in some way and is unlike any other experience we have had before it.  It seems to follow from this sort of response that I cannot project my past experiences of seeing red or eating chocolate, respectively, to know what seeing red or to eating chocolate ice cream on this day, at this time, and in this way will be like.  So, if we take this rebuttal seriously, it would work to rule out projection in most cases.  To the extent that most of us don’t find each new experience of eating chocolate ice cream transformative in this way, there seems to be something implausible about Paul’s arguments.

I’ve also responded in the comments section of Eric’s post at New Apps.  Knowing Eric, I’m sure he will have a counter response soon!